tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post8005706106880809943..comments2024-03-27T21:42:56.131-05:00Comments on 1001plus: Toxic FandomSJHoneywellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13550007053995112090noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-10910033224533843742018-08-05T23:32:41.028-05:002018-08-05T23:32:41.028-05:00I get that, and I see where you're going there...I get that, and I see where you're going there even if I disagree with you. The middle of a trilogy should be an emotional low point. But I do see your point. Then again, I don't hate that, as you say, everything after <i>Jedi</i> has become moot. That happens sometimes. It may feel ugly in a story, but it's believable, and I'm curious to see where they take it. <br /><br />I agree that <i>Force Awakens</i> was just <i>Episode IV</i> with a different cast, and that was disappointing.<br /><br />That silent moment is fantastic, I agree. SJHoneywellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550007053995112090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-25124754424301327032018-08-05T23:13:35.816-05:002018-08-05T23:13:35.816-05:00Honestly, I haven't seen Solo and haven't ...Honestly, I haven't seen <i>Solo</i> and haven't really paid any attention to it.SJHoneywellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550007053995112090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-39783469973129622552018-08-05T18:00:05.691-05:002018-08-05T18:00:05.691-05:00(And I saw The Last Jedi when it first opened, but...(And I saw The Last Jedi when it first opened, but I'm having trouble remembering it. Except the scene where Luke walked out ALONE to face Darth Jr. and the Empire. That whole scene was great.)Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17921029597363212734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-42425883690167484252018-08-05T17:58:30.095-05:002018-08-05T17:58:30.095-05:00I had mixed feelings about Solo. It's just too...I had mixed feelings about Solo. It's just too dang silly to be as long as it is. Fortunately, most of the best stuff is in the last half, mostly involving Emilia Clarke.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17921029597363212734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-53108201037944951722018-08-05T16:35:56.626-05:002018-08-05T16:35:56.626-05:00That's a good question. I enjoyed Solo and lo...That's a good question. I enjoyed Solo and look forward to seeing it again. Not as good as Rogue One, but fun. I'm disappointed it did so badly.Ipecachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15157560182505626755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-73618958783523263702018-08-05T15:30:28.629-05:002018-08-05T15:30:28.629-05:00Did the toxic fans take down "Solo" or w...Did the toxic fans take down "Solo" or was it just too much disappointment with the current path of the SW Universe? John from Daejeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08431973044799010218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-90790116942150950272018-08-05T12:55:23.900-05:002018-08-05T12:55:23.900-05:00I have a lot of problems with this movie (all plot...I have a lot of problems with this movie (all plot-related) but I completely agree that toxic fandom, and the reaction to this movie in particular, sucks. I'm sure that won't surprise you. If you can only relate to white, male heroes, you're a dick and a trash human.<br /><br />I give this movie a lot of credit for bringing some new things to the Star Wars universe, including the best visualization of the Force in any SW movie. And I love the climactic, silent moment at the end of a space battle that everyone remembers. <br /><br />In the end though, I really dislike where this movie leaves everything. None of what happens from Return of the Jedi onward makes any difference to the galaxy. Everyone's now back in the same hellish hole. A lot of that I lay at the feet of Abrams and The Force Awakens, because Abrams decided to retell an already told story. I wish they had gone this bold from the very beginning of the new trilogy.<br />Ipecachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15157560182505626755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-2931933774437587972018-08-05T10:35:43.842-05:002018-08-05T10:35:43.842-05:00Evidently, a lot of people were bent out of shape ...Evidently, a lot of people were bent out of shape about Luke's role in the ending, but I thought that was absolutely magnificent.<br /><br />This is a very new film in a lot of respects, although there are some shades of the first trilogy. The Snoke/Rey/Kylo scene has shades of the final confrontation in <i>Return of the Jedi</i>, and the attack at the end feels a great deal like the Hoth battle that opens <i>Empire</i>--even down to the color palette. <br /><br />I guess you can call those homages, but there was a clear connection to the orig-trig.SJHoneywellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550007053995112090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-64629972782669463282018-08-05T10:32:18.346-05:002018-08-05T10:32:18.346-05:00I 100% agree.
One of the things I've really t...I 100% agree.<br /><br />One of the things I've really tried to cultivate on this blog is the ability to disagree respectfully. I think I've held true to that in all places but one, and I think I was clearly attacked first. <br /><br />We can disagree and make cases for our disagreement. To be that upset about a different opinion just seems to me, well, toxic.SJHoneywellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550007053995112090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-76724619553619575622018-08-05T10:29:39.689-05:002018-08-05T10:29:39.689-05:00I just don't get it, but at the same time, I&#...I just don't get it, but at the same time, I've never really understood a great deal of fandom. There are plenty of things that I like in media. I'm a huge Game of Thrones fan, for instance, but I don't understand being so involved in it that it becomes such a huge part of my outlook and what I talk about. Ditto for fan fiction. This sort of fandom seems to me to be nothing but fan fiction without the effort of actually writing stuff down. <br /><br />Because of that, I now have a better appreciation for the idea of fanfic. Don't like the canon? Write your own. This sort of toxic fandom is toxic in large part because it's <i>lazy</i>. The creators are going to make choices you don't like. Deal.SJHoneywellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550007053995112090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-19654387147467070372018-08-05T09:28:28.206-05:002018-08-05T09:28:28.206-05:00I absolutely loved this episode...for the first ti...I absolutely loved this episode...for the first time in what seems like ages, someone (in this case director and writer Rian Johnson) sat down and came up with a whole bunch of original ideas for the Star Wars universe. I particularly liked the interaction between Rey and Kylo, which balanced on a psychological knife's edge throughout, and the ending was magnificent, probably the best climax to a Star Wars film since Episode 4. After the disappointment of The Force Awakens, which is essentially a remake, The Last Jedi was a breath of a fresh air.aceblackblog.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08404695143187261837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-59801409348797705972018-08-05T01:04:17.428-05:002018-08-05T01:04:17.428-05:00I felt the same as you: not perfect, but certainly...I felt the same as you: not perfect, but certainly good with some interesting explorations of the force. I particularly liked the nods to Kurosawa, and it was bittersweet seeing Carrie Fisher onscreen. <br /><br />The toxic part of the fandom is frustrating but I've decided not to let it destroy my enjoyment of the film. My brother-in-law, a big Star Wars fan, was vocal in his deep dislike of the film, which only seemed to get stronger after reading things online. He is perfectly entitled to his opinion (and to his credit does not go on about it), as are others, but most seem incapable of accepting differences of opinion; and that is bad criticism. I know my opinions of some films are different from others, but I hope I would never write some off (or worse) simply because I disagree with them. Julia Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09041411551162128922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3166297507174717122.post-61804345621795189622018-08-05T00:09:55.540-05:002018-08-05T00:09:55.540-05:00I did a long, long review/meditation of the movie,...I did a long, long review/meditation of the movie, which—if you're brave and if you have the time—you can read <a href="https://bighominid.blogspot.com/2018/01/star-wars-last-jedi-review-and.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. My review focused on some of the nerdier fan complaints, but like you, I'm chary of "toxic fandom," as you put it. Here in Korea, fans control the story arcs of soap operas: if the plot takes an ugly left turn, or if a beloved character is written out of the story, the so-called "Netizens" take to their computers and blast the showrunners and screenwriters, kicking and screaming until satisfactory changes are made. <br /><br />In the end, there was a lot about "The Last Jedi" that I liked, but there were parts I really didn't like. As for poor Kelly Marie Tran: it's unfortunate that there are fans out there who can't distinguish between an actress and her role. That's a special kind of stupid.Kevin Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01328790917314282058noreply@blogger.com